Why do use podman machine on Mac?
The container experience with podman machine on Windows and mac is not optimal because the containers are slow. Mac is a Linux-based OS. So, why can't we create native containers on it as we do on Linux? That applies to WSL. It's kind of Linux. Why cannot we create native Linux containers on it without resorting to Podman machine and podman clients?
Macs are BSD-based, not Linux, and therefore do not run the Linux kernel, and therefore cannot run Podman (or Docker) natively. - JK
On 7. Sep 2023, at 19.19, Mehdi Haghgoo via Podman <podman@lists.podman.io> wrote:
The container experience with podman machine on Windows and mac is not optimal because the containers are slow. Mac is a Linux-based OS. So, why can't we create native containers on it as we do on Linux?
That applies to WSL. It's kind of Linux. Why cannot we create native Linux containers on it without resorting to Podman machine and podman clients?
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OS X has a Mach kernel and a BSD user land. Don’t think Apple is interested in adding containers framework to that. I guess someone could write a kernel extension but it’s a niche use case. WSL 2 uses a real Linux kernel doesn’t it? But it’s still a VM inside of Hyper V so I don’t think the performance is any different. WSL 1 is a posix emulation with binary compatibility but no container support under the hood. Correct me if I'm wrong about that. - Darren On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 11:19 Mehdi Haghgoo via Podman < podman@lists.podman.io> wrote:
The container experience with podman machine on Windows and mac is not optimal because the containers are slow. Mac is a Linux-based OS. So, why can't we create native containers on it as we do on Linux?
That applies to WSL. It's kind of Linux. Why cannot we create native Linux containers on it without resorting to Podman machine and podman clients?
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On 9/7/23 12:51, Darren Dupre wrote:
OS X has a Mach kernel and a BSD user land. Don’t think Apple is interested in adding containers framework to that. I guess someone could write a kernel extension but it’s a niche use case.
WSL 2 uses a real Linux kernel doesn’t it? But it’s still a VM inside of Hyper V so I don’t think the performance is any different. WSL 1 is a posix emulation with binary compatibility but no container support under the hood.
Podman uses WSL 2 and is about to release HyperV support.
Correct me if I'm wrong about that.
- Darren
On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 11:19 Mehdi Haghgoo via Podman <podman@lists.podman.io> wrote:
The container experience with podman machine on Windows and mac is not optimal because the containers are slow. Mac is a Linux-based OS. So, why can't we create native containers on it as we do on Linux?
That applies to WSL. It's kind of Linux. Why cannot we create native Linux containers on it without resorting to Podman machine and podman clients?
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