1:07 p.m.
Hi All,
Just a quick note that the next Podman Community Meeting is coming
up a week from this coming Tuesday. It will be Tuesday June 1, 2021 at
11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4). We're overloaded with topics this time and
will be talking about Podman and TYE, Podman v3.2.0 updates, Podman in
Kubernetes and Podman Machine updates. The full agenda with the link to
the video conference is here
(https://podman.io/community/meeting/agenda/). Check out the link to
WorldTImeBuddy at the top of the web page for the agenda for an easy
time converter for your local time. As usual, no charge to attend!
Also, I just posted the meeting notes from the May 2021 meeting.
They include links to the slides on Sysbox runtime, a link to the video
recording and my bad attempt at taking notes during the meeting.
https://podman.io/community/meeting/notes/2021-05-04/
As a quick note, given the number of people that we've heard from
who will be on vacation in early July, we have decided to not hold the
meeting that month. Our following meeting will be Tuesday August 3rd,
also at 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4).
t
8:46 a.m.
New subject: Podman Community Meeting - Tues June 1, 2021 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4)
Hi Tom and others,
With 5 minutes the Open Forum seems a little short to really discuss a
topic that is not on the agenda. Are there other communities or regular
events (e.g. with Fedora or OCI)
where people can discuss ideas and questions with video+audio and podman
developers present?
Some topics take just so much longer when discussed via email. How are
these usually treated in this community?
Best,
Erik
On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 20:08, Tom Sweeney <tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com> wrote:
Hi All,
Just a quick note that the next Podman Community Meeting is coming
up a week from this coming Tuesday. It will be Tuesday June 1, 2021 at
11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4). We're overloaded with topics this time and
will be talking about Podman and TYE, Podman v3.2.0 updates, Podman in
Kubernetes and Podman Machine updates. The full agenda with the link to
the video conference is here
(https://podman.io/community/meeting/agenda/). Check out the link to
WorldTImeBuddy at the top of the web page for the agenda for an easy
time converter for your local time. As usual, no charge to attend!
Also, I just posted the meeting notes from the May 2021 meeting.
They include links to the slides on Sysbox runtime, a link to the video
recording and my bad attempt at taking notes during the meeting.
https://podman.io/community/meeting/notes/2021-05-04/
As a quick note, given the number of people that we've heard from
who will be on vacation in early July, we have decided to not hold the
meeting that month. Our following meeting will be Tuesday August 3rd,
also at 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4).
t
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9:37 a.m.
New subject: Podman Community Meeting - Tues June 1, 2021 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4)
On 5/27/21 09:46, Erik Bernoth wrote:
Hi Tom and others,
With 5 minutes the Open Forum seems a little short to really discuss a
topic that is not on the agenda. Are there other communities or
regular events (e.g. with Fedora or OCI)
where people can discuss ideas and questions with video+audio and
podman developers present?
Some topics take just so much longer when discussed via email. How are
these usually treated in this community?
Best,
Erik
If you want more time, please suggest a topic and specify the amount of
time you would like.
On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 20:08, Tom Sweeney <tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com
<mailto:tom.sweeney@redhat.com>> wrote:
Hi All,
Just a quick note that the next Podman Community Meeting is
coming
up a week from this coming Tuesday. It will be Tuesday June 1,
2021 at
11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4). We're overloaded with topics this time and
will be talking about Podman and TYE, Podman v3.2.0 updates,
Podman in
Kubernetes and Podman Machine updates. The full agenda with the
link to
the video conference is here
(https://podman.io/community/meeting/agenda/
<https://podman.io/community/meeting/agenda/>). Check out the link to
WorldTImeBuddy at the top of the web page for the agenda for an easy
time converter for your local time. As usual, no charge to attend!
Also, I just posted the meeting notes from the May 2021 meeting.
They include links to the slides on Sysbox runtime, a link to the
video
recording and my bad attempt at taking notes during the meeting.
https://podman.io/community/meeting/notes/2021-05-04/
<https://podman.io/community/meeting/notes/2021-05-04/>
As a quick note, given the number of people that we've heard
from
who will be on vacation in early July, we have decided to not hold
the
meeting that month. Our following meeting will be Tuesday August
3rd,
also at 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4).
t
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10:48 a.m.
New subject: Podman Community Meeting - Tues June 1, 2021 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4)
Hi Dan,
If you want more time, please suggest a topic and specify the amount
of
time you would like.
Thanks, I will when the time is right. Currently I'm more concerned with
learning how similar requests are usually handled.
Happy to read your experiences, Dan, and also other's.
Best,
Erik
On Thu, 27 May 2021 at 16:39, Daniel Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> On 5/27/21 09:46, Erik Bernoth wrote:
>
> Hi Tom and others,
>
> With 5 minutes the Open Forum seems a little short to really discuss a
> topic that is not on the agenda. Are there other communities or regular
> events (e.g. with Fedora or OCI)
> where people can discuss ideas and questions with video+audio and podman
> developers present?
> Some topics take just so much longer when discussed via email. How are
> these usually treated in this community?
>
> Best,
> Erik
>
If you want more time, please suggest a topic and specify the amount
of
> time you would like.
>
> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 20:08, Tom Sweeney <tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Just a quick note that the next Podman Community Meeting is coming
>> up a week from this coming Tuesday. It will be Tuesday June 1, 2021 at
>> 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4). We're overloaded with topics this time and
>> will be talking about Podman and TYE, Podman v3.2.0 updates, Podman in
>> Kubernetes and Podman Machine updates. The full agenda with the link to
>> the video conference is here
>> (https://podman.io/community/meeting/agenda/). Check out the link to
>> WorldTImeBuddy at the top of the web page for the agenda for an easy
>> time converter for your local time. As usual, no charge to attend!
>>
>> Also, I just posted the meeting notes from the May 2021 meeting.
>> They include links to the slides on Sysbox runtime, a link to the video
>> recording and my bad attempt at taking notes during the meeting.
>> https://podman.io/community/meeting/notes/2021-05-04/
>>
>> As a quick note, given the number of people that we've heard from
>> who will be on vacation in early July, we have decided to not hold the
>> meeting that month. Our following meeting will be Tuesday August 3rd,
>> also at 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4).
>>
>> t
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12:37 p.m.
New subject: Podman Community Meeting - Tues June 1, 2021 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4)
For the most part we are dealling with requests via IRC and Github. In
some cases we have opened up personal conversation using BlueJeans and
Google Meet to discuss topics with community members.
We just started doing the community meetings last year to see what the
interest is and to better communicate bigger ideas with the community.
Usually when we open up the discussion at the end, there is just a few
questions and we have not had the need for something larger.
On 5/27/21 11:48, Erik Bernoth wrote:
Hi Dan,
> If you want more time, please suggest a topic and specify the amount
of time you would like.
Thanks, I will when the time is right. Currently I'm more concerned
with learning how similar requests are usually handled.
Happy to read your experiences, Dan, and also other's.
Best,
Erik
On Thu, 27 May 2021 at 16:39, Daniel Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com
<mailto:dwalsh@redhat.com>> wrote:
On 5/27/21 09:46, Erik Bernoth wrote:
> Hi Tom and others,
>
> With 5 minutes the Open Forum seems a little short to really
> discuss a topic that is not on the agenda. Are there other
> communities or regular events (e.g. with Fedora or OCI)
> where people can discuss ideas and questions with video+audio and
> podman developers present?
> Some topics take just so much longer when discussed via email.
> How are these usually treated in this community?
>
> Best,
> Erik
>
If you want more time, please suggest a topic and specify the
amount of time you would like.
> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 20:08, Tom Sweeney <tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com
> <mailto:tom.sweeney@redhat.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Just a quick note that the next Podman Community Meeting
> is coming
> up a week from this coming Tuesday. It will be Tuesday June
> 1, 2021 at
> 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4). We're overloaded with topics this
> time and
> will be talking about Podman and TYE, Podman v3.2.0 updates,
> Podman in
> Kubernetes and Podman Machine updates. The full agenda with
> the link to
> the video conference is here
> (https://podman.io/community/meeting/agenda/
> <https://podman.io/community/meeting/agenda/>). Check out the
> link to
> WorldTImeBuddy at the top of the web page for the agenda for
> an easy
> time converter for your local time. As usual, no charge to
> attend!
>
> Also, I just posted the meeting notes from the May 2021
> meeting.
> They include links to the slides on Sysbox runtime, a link to
> the video
> recording and my bad attempt at taking notes during the meeting.
> https://podman.io/community/meeting/notes/2021-05-04/
> <https://podman.io/community/meeting/notes/2021-05-04/>
>
> As a quick note, given the number of people that we've
> heard from
> who will be on vacation in early July, we have decided to not
> hold the
> meeting that month. Our following meeting will be Tuesday
> August 3rd,
> also at 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4).
>
> t
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12:46 p.m.
New subject: Podman Community Meeting - Tues June 1, 2021 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4)
Good questions Erik,
First off, for the June Podman Community Meeting (PCM), we do have
a bit more topics than usual for this particular meeting. In general I
like to leave at least 15 minutes for the Open Forum with a 5 minute
ending for the next meeting. That last 5 minutes usually gets chewed up
by the Open Forum questions. I suspect that one or two of the topics
might go under their allotted time and we'll regain from that. Beyond
that, we generally wrap up the recorded piece of the meeting at the top
of the hour, but we usually have a decent amount of folks that hang on
for a bit afterwards if there's still questions floating around.
As far as where to catch us outside of this meeting, the two that
come to mind quickly are the devconf conferences
(https://www.devconf.info/), especially so the CZ and US ones. The one
in India is hard for most of us to attend due to timezones or travel
distance. We also just started the Container Plumbing Days conference
(https://containerplumbing.org) this past spring and plan to bring it
back in Spring 2022. We also do on occasion get invited to talk on
OpenShift.TV and other casts like that. I think we need to do a better
job advertising our upcoming appearances (note to self) for things like
that.
I believe all of the maintainers are on this email list, so if
you'd ever like to set up a meeting to chat, either directly to one or a
few of us, just ask for a meet and we'll try our best. Or if you or
others would just like a "Ask the Maintainers" type of meeting beyond
the PCM, I'd be happy to set something up as called for.
As Dan suggested, we're always happy taking topics for the
meetings, regardless of who's presenting. So if there's something
someone wants to learn more about, send an email to this list and I'll
try to line up the right people for a future meeting.
HTH,
t
On 5/27/21 11:48 AM, Erik Bernoth wrote:
Hi Dan,
> If you want more time, please suggest a topic and specify the amount
of time you would like.
Thanks, I will when the time is right. Currently I'm more concerned
with learning how similar requests are usually handled.
Happy to read your experiences, Dan, and also other's.
Best,
Erik
On Thu, 27 May 2021 at 16:39, Daniel Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com
<mailto:dwalsh@redhat.com>> wrote:
On 5/27/21 09:46, Erik Bernoth wrote:
> Hi Tom and others,
>
> With 5 minutes the Open Forum seems a little short to really
> discuss a topic that is not on the agenda. Are there other
> communities or regular events (e.g. with Fedora or OCI)
> where people can discuss ideas and questions with video+audio and
> podman developers present?
> Some topics take just so much longer when discussed via email.
> How are these usually treated in this community?
>
> Best,
> Erik
>
If you want more time, please suggest a topic and specify the
amount of time you would like.
> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 20:08, Tom Sweeney <tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com
> <mailto:tom.sweeney@redhat.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Just a quick note that the next Podman Community Meeting
> is coming
> up a week from this coming Tuesday. It will be Tuesday June
> 1, 2021 at
> 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4). We're overloaded with topics this
> time and
> will be talking about Podman and TYE, Podman v3.2.0 updates,
> Podman in
> Kubernetes and Podman Machine updates. The full agenda with
> the link to
> the video conference is here
> (https://podman.io/community/meeting/agenda/
> <https://podman.io/community/meeting/agenda/>). Check out the
> link to
> WorldTImeBuddy at the top of the web page for the agenda for
> an easy
> time converter for your local time. As usual, no charge to
> attend!
>
> Also, I just posted the meeting notes from the May 2021
> meeting.
> They include links to the slides on Sysbox runtime, a link to
> the video
> recording and my bad attempt at taking notes during the meeting.
> https://podman.io/community/meeting/notes/2021-05-04/
> <https://podman.io/community/meeting/notes/2021-05-04/>
>
> As a quick note, given the number of people that we've
> heard from
> who will be on vacation in early July, we have decided to not
> hold the
> meeting that month. Our following meeting will be Tuesday
> August 3rd,
> also at 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4).
>
> t
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12:52 p.m.
New subject: Podman Community Meeting - Tues June 1, 2021 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4)
@Tom Sweeney <tsweeney(a)redhat.com>
I think I could shorten my presentation and instead of giving a demo (which
has been done already), I can give a state of affairs on where we are, what
is left to be done, etc. That should free up some extra time.
On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 9:39 AM Daniel Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On 5/27/21 09:46, Erik Bernoth wrote:
Hi Tom and others,
With 5 minutes the Open Forum seems a little short to really discuss a
topic that is not on the agenda. Are there other communities or regular
events (e.g. with Fedora or OCI)
where people can discuss ideas and questions with video+audio and podman
developers present?
Some topics take just so much longer when discussed via email. How are
these usually treated in this community?
Best,
Erik
If you want more time, please suggest a topic and specify the amount of
time you would like.
On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 20:08, Tom Sweeney <tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Just a quick note that the next Podman Community Meeting is coming
> up a week from this coming Tuesday. It will be Tuesday June 1, 2021 at
> 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4). We're overloaded with topics this time and
> will be talking about Podman and TYE, Podman v3.2.0 updates, Podman in
> Kubernetes and Podman Machine updates. The full agenda with the link to
> the video conference is here
> (https://podman.io/community/meeting/agenda/). Check out the link to
> WorldTImeBuddy at the top of the web page for the agenda for an easy
> time converter for your local time. As usual, no charge to attend!
>
> Also, I just posted the meeting notes from the May 2021 meeting.
> They include links to the slides on Sysbox runtime, a link to the video
> recording and my bad attempt at taking notes during the meeting.
> https://podman.io/community/meeting/notes/2021-05-04/
>
> As a quick note, given the number of people that we've heard from
> who will be on vacation in early July, we have decided to not hold the
> meeting that month. Our following meeting will be Tuesday August 3rd,
> also at 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4).
>
> t
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3:55 p.m.
New subject: Podman Community Meeting - Tues June 1, 2021 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4)
Brent,
Thanks let's plan on dropping the demo unless there's a new twist or two
from the last time. If folks still want to see the demo, perhaps you
could run them through it after the Open Forum time.
t
On 5/27/21 1:52 PM, Brent Baude wrote:
@Tom Sweeney <mailto:tsweeney@redhat.com>
I think I could shorten my presentation and instead of giving a demo
(which has been done already), I can give a state of affairs on where
we are, what is left to be done, etc. That should free up some extra
time.
On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 9:39 AM Daniel Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com
<mailto:dwalsh@redhat.com>> wrote:
On 5/27/21 09:46, Erik Bernoth wrote:
> Hi Tom and others,
>
> With 5 minutes the Open Forum seems a little short to really
> discuss a topic that is not on the agenda. Are there other
> communities or regular events (e.g. with Fedora or OCI)
> where people can discuss ideas and questions with video+audio and
> podman developers present?
> Some topics take just so much longer when discussed via email.
> How are these usually treated in this community?
>
> Best,
> Erik
>
If you want more time, please suggest a topic and specify the
amount of time you would like.
> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 20:08, Tom Sweeney <tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com
> <mailto:tom.sweeney@redhat.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Just a quick note that the next Podman Community Meeting
> is coming
> up a week from this coming Tuesday. It will be Tuesday June
> 1, 2021 at
> 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4). We're overloaded with topics this
> time and
> will be talking about Podman and TYE, Podman v3.2.0 updates,
> Podman in
> Kubernetes and Podman Machine updates. The full agenda with
> the link to
> the video conference is here
> (https://podman.io/community/meeting/agenda/
> <https://podman.io/community/meeting/agenda/>). Check out the
> link to
> WorldTImeBuddy at the top of the web page for the agenda for
> an easy
> time converter for your local time. As usual, no charge to
> attend!
>
> Also, I just posted the meeting notes from the May 2021
> meeting.
> They include links to the slides on Sysbox runtime, a link to
> the video
> recording and my bad attempt at taking notes during the meeting.
> https://podman.io/community/meeting/notes/2021-05-04/
> <https://podman.io/community/meeting/notes/2021-05-04/>
>
> As a quick note, given the number of people that we've
> heard from
> who will be on vacation in early July, we have decided to not
> hold the
> meeting that month. Our following meeting will be Tuesday
> August 3rd,
> also at 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4).
>
> t
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1:41 a.m.
New subject: Podman Community Meeting - Tues June 1, 2021 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4)
Thanks a lot for all the inputs.
From what I see, I would say that extending the Open Forum part of the
meeting would require other people cutting their allotted speaking time.
If they don't have much to share anyways, then that is okay. But usually
that doesn't sound like a good exchange for me, allowing one person to
speak more
by decreasing what is accepted for another person.
So, I was thinking. What would stop us from doing a weekly meeting that is
mostly Open Forum? Then the monthly meeting would be free for the preplanned
agenda items, right?
Best,
Erik
On Thu, 27 May 2021 at 22:56, Tom Sweeney <tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com> wrote:
Brent,
Thanks let's plan on dropping the demo unless there's a new twist or two
from the last time. If folks still want to see the demo, perhaps you could
run them through it after the Open Forum time.
t
On 5/27/21 1:52 PM, Brent Baude wrote:
@Tom Sweeney <tsweeney(a)redhat.com>
I think I could shorten my presentation and instead of giving a demo
(which has been done already), I can give a state of affairs on where we
are, what is left to be done, etc. That should free up some extra time.
On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 9:39 AM Daniel Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> On 5/27/21 09:46, Erik Bernoth wrote:
>
> Hi Tom and others,
>
> With 5 minutes the Open Forum seems a little short to really discuss a
> topic that is not on the agenda. Are there other communities or regular
> events (e.g. with Fedora or OCI)
> where people can discuss ideas and questions with video+audio and podman
> developers present?
> Some topics take just so much longer when discussed via email. How are
> these usually treated in this community?
>
> Best,
> Erik
>
> If you want more time, please suggest a topic and specify the amount of
> time you would like.
>
> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 20:08, Tom Sweeney <tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Just a quick note that the next Podman Community Meeting is coming
>> up a week from this coming Tuesday. It will be Tuesday June 1, 2021 at
>> 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4). We're overloaded with topics this time and
>> will be talking about Podman and TYE, Podman v3.2.0 updates, Podman in
>> Kubernetes and Podman Machine updates. The full agenda with the link to
>> the video conference is here
>> (https://podman.io/community/meeting/agenda/). Check out the link to
>> WorldTImeBuddy at the top of the web page for the agenda for an easy
>> time converter for your local time. As usual, no charge to attend!
>>
>> Also, I just posted the meeting notes from the May 2021 meeting.
>> They include links to the slides on Sysbox runtime, a link to the video
>> recording and my bad attempt at taking notes during the meeting.
>> https://podman.io/community/meeting/notes/2021-05-04/
>>
>> As a quick note, given the number of people that we've heard from
>> who will be on vacation in early July, we have decided to not hold the
>> meeting that month. Our following meeting will be Tuesday August 3rd,
>> also at 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4).
>>
>> t
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6:09 a.m.
New subject: Podman Community Meeting - Tues June 1, 2021 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4)
On 5/30/21 02:41, Erik Bernoth wrote:
Thanks a lot for all the inputs.
From what I see, I would say that extending the Open Forum part of the
meeting would require other people cutting their allotted speaking time.
If they don't have much to share anyways, then that is okay. But
usually that doesn't sound like a good exchange for me, allowing one
person to speak more
by decreasing what is accepted for another person.
Mainly peoples commitment of time. We could try an IRC Meeting like
this, where people could partially pay attention, but have a video
meeting on a weekly basis, might be a time sync, with limited benefit.
So, I was thinking. What would stop us from doing a weekly meeting
that is mostly Open Forum? Then the monthly meeting would be free for
the preplanned
agenda items, right?
Best,
Erik
On Thu, 27 May 2021 at 22:56, Tom Sweeney <tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com
<mailto:tom.sweeney@redhat.com>> wrote:
Brent,
Thanks let's plan on dropping the demo unless there's a new twist
or two from the last time. If folks still want to see the demo,
perhaps you could run them through it after the Open Forum time.
t
On 5/27/21 1:52 PM, Brent Baude wrote:
> @Tom Sweeney <mailto:tsweeney@redhat.com>
> I think I could shorten my presentation and instead of giving a
> demo (which has been done already), I can give a state of affairs
> on where we are, what is left to be done, etc. That should free
> up some extra time.
>
>
> On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 9:39 AM Daniel Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com
> <mailto:dwalsh@redhat.com>> wrote:
>
> On 5/27/21 09:46, Erik Bernoth wrote:
>> Hi Tom and others,
>>
>> With 5 minutes the Open Forum seems a little short to really
>> discuss a topic that is not on the agenda. Are there other
>> communities or regular events (e.g. with Fedora or OCI)
>> where people can discuss ideas and questions with
>> video+audio and podman developers present?
>> Some topics take just so much longer when discussed via
>> email. How are these usually treated in this community?
>>
>> Best,
>> Erik
>>
> If you want more time, please suggest a topic and specify the
> amount of time you would like.
>> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 20:08, Tom Sweeney
>> <tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com <mailto:tom.sweeney@redhat.com>>
wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Just a quick note that the next Podman Community
>> Meeting is coming
>> up a week from this coming Tuesday. It will be Tuesday
>> June 1, 2021 at
>> 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4). We're overloaded with topics
>> this time and
>> will be talking about Podman and TYE, Podman v3.2.0
>> updates, Podman in
>> Kubernetes and Podman Machine updates. The full agenda
>> with the link to
>> the video conference is here
>> (https://podman.io/community/meeting/agenda/
>> <https://podman.io/community/meeting/agenda/>). Check
>> out the link to
>> WorldTImeBuddy at the top of the web page for the agenda
>> for an easy
>> time converter for your local time. As usual, no charge
>> to attend!
>>
>> Also, I just posted the meeting notes from the May
>> 2021 meeting.
>> They include links to the slides on Sysbox runtime, a
>> link to the video
>> recording and my bad attempt at taking notes during the
>> meeting.
>> https://podman.io/community/meeting/notes/2021-05-04/
>> <https://podman.io/community/meeting/notes/2021-05-04/>
>>
>> As a quick note, given the number of people that
>> we've heard from
>> who will be on vacation in early July, we have decided
>> to not hold the
>> meeting that month. Our following meeting will be
>> Tuesday August 3rd,
>> also at 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4).
>>
>> t
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2:28 a.m.
New subject: Podman Community Meeting - Tues June 1, 2021 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4)
Thanks for sharing, Dan!
I also want to share a worry that I have: As I was the one suggesting, I
worry that the success of the idea fully depends on me doing all the work
forever to keep it going,
and that my success as a member of the community would be measured only in
the value of that mini-project.
Logically I already know that this is not the case, but I'm not always
logical.
Worries about weekly video call:
- time commitment
- personal responsibility and impact
What other possible problems might we encounter?
On Sun, 30 May 2021 at 13:09, Daniel Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On 5/30/21 02:41, Erik Bernoth wrote:
Thanks a lot for all the inputs.
From what I see, I would say that extending the Open Forum part of the
meeting would require other people cutting their allotted speaking time.
If they don't have much to share anyways, then that is okay. But usually
that doesn't sound like a good exchange for me, allowing one person to
speak more
by decreasing what is accepted for another person.
Mainly peoples commitment of time. We could try an IRC Meeting like this,
where people could partially pay attention, but have a video meeting on a
weekly basis, might be a time sync, with limited benefit.
So, I was thinking. What would stop us from doing a weekly meeting that is
mostly Open Forum? Then the monthly meeting would be free for the preplanned
agenda items, right?
Best,
Erik
On Thu, 27 May 2021 at 22:56, Tom Sweeney <tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> Brent,
>
> Thanks let's plan on dropping the demo unless there's a new twist or two
> from the last time. If folks still want to see the demo, perhaps you could
> run them through it after the Open Forum time.
>
> t
>
> On 5/27/21 1:52 PM, Brent Baude wrote:
>
> @Tom Sweeney <tsweeney(a)redhat.com>
>
> I think I could shorten my presentation and instead of giving a demo
> (which has been done already), I can give a state of affairs on where we
> are, what is left to be done, etc. That should free up some extra time.
>
>
> On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 9:39 AM Daniel Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/27/21 09:46, Erik Bernoth wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tom and others,
>>
>> With 5 minutes the Open Forum seems a little short to really discuss a
>> topic that is not on the agenda. Are there other communities or regular
>> events (e.g. with Fedora or OCI)
>> where people can discuss ideas and questions with video+audio and podman
>> developers present?
>> Some topics take just so much longer when discussed via email. How are
>> these usually treated in this community?
>>
>> Best,
>> Erik
>>
>> If you want more time, please suggest a topic and specify the amount of
>> time you would like.
>>
>> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 20:08, Tom Sweeney <tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Just a quick note that the next Podman Community Meeting is coming
>>> up a week from this coming Tuesday. It will be Tuesday June 1, 2021 at
>>> 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4). We're overloaded with topics this time and
>>> will be talking about Podman and TYE, Podman v3.2.0 updates, Podman in
>>> Kubernetes and Podman Machine updates. The full agenda with the link to
>>> the video conference is here
>>> (https://podman.io/community/meeting/agenda/). Check out the link to
>>> WorldTImeBuddy at the top of the web page for the agenda for an easy
>>> time converter for your local time. As usual, no charge to attend!
>>>
>>> Also, I just posted the meeting notes from the May 2021 meeting.
>>> They include links to the slides on Sysbox runtime, a link to the video
>>> recording and my bad attempt at taking notes during the meeting.
>>> https://podman.io/community/meeting/notes/2021-05-04/
>>>
>>> As a quick note, given the number of people that we've heard from
>>> who will be on vacation in early July, we have decided to not hold the
>>> meeting that month. Our following meeting will be Tuesday August 3rd,
>>> also at 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4).
>>>
>>> t
>>> _______________________________________________
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12:50 p.m.
New subject: Podman Community Meeting - Tues June 1, 2021 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4)
Alright, I didn't get more responses, so I think payout for invested time
is the key issue.
For me, Podman is a key technology that could be running everywhere,
including Mars rovers, including smart phones (let's face it, Apps are
basically containers), etc. Everywhere where IoT can be used podman makes
sense.
And the amount of IoT that surrounds us will just grow. So it's a huge
project, even if it hasn't reached that scale yet in terms of daily work.
Therefore, I would say that the community interaction should also be
thought of in these terms. And if I look at other big projects, they often
have community office hours, where users can bring in discussion topics.
E.g.
https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/events/office-hours.md
So the value of thinking big in terms of community management is huge.
But the personal time investment of individual people doesn't have to be. A
few ideas:
(1) The work could be split up, like cleaning the kitchen in a shared
apartment
(2) Users could be involved in the facilitation of individual sessions
(3) One could look for other companies that would be interested enough in
this project's growth to add some headcount (e.g., big customers)
(4) One could find other companies that want to create something similar
and keep an eye on what this project is doing (thinking Apple might be
wanting to build their own container engine on their own kernel but make
sure the CLI is almost identical)
(5) There might be other FOSS projects that have, or could have in the
future, a high dependency on Podman's success, and therefore might be
interested in sharing community management resources
(6) If we can think up an experiment that can show community traction (or
even better: customer traction), and that experiment succeeds, then usually
management is happy to add a headcount or two
So, it doesn't mean that people who are busy crunching bugs would have
attend an online meeting every week.
What do you think about that? Do you have other ideas that I could add to
the list?
Best,
Erik
PS: I have to admit that after only getting a response from Dan, I was a
little frustrated. My main intention when I started this was trying to
figure out if I can use my newly acquired Agile skills in the project. But
I don't think I can transfer
these skills from colorful sticky notes to IRC messages. If someone has an
idea who else might have tried something like that, I'm also curious to
learn about it.
What I am doing now with that desire is I'm looking for communities that
work more with audio-visual communication anyways. And maybe there's still
some opportunity to combine both through (5) in the future.
On Mon, 31 May 2021 at 09:28, Erik Bernoth <erik.bernoth(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for sharing, Dan!
I also want to share a worry that I have: As I was the one suggesting, I
worry that the success of the idea fully depends on me doing all the work
forever to keep it going,
and that my success as a member of the community would be measured only in
the value of that mini-project.
Logically I already know that this is not the case, but I'm not always
logical.
Worries about weekly video call:
- time commitment
- personal responsibility and impact
What other possible problems might we encounter?
On Sun, 30 May 2021 at 13:09, Daniel Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> On 5/30/21 02:41, Erik Bernoth wrote:
>
> Thanks a lot for all the inputs.
>
> From what I see, I would say that extending the Open Forum part of the
> meeting would require other people cutting their allotted speaking time.
> If they don't have much to share anyways, then that is okay. But usually
> that doesn't sound like a good exchange for me, allowing one person to
> speak more
> by decreasing what is accepted for another person.
>
> Mainly peoples commitment of time. We could try an IRC Meeting like
> this, where people could partially pay attention, but have a video meeting
> on a weekly basis, might be a time sync, with limited benefit.
>
> So, I was thinking. What would stop us from doing a weekly meeting that
> is mostly Open Forum? Then the monthly meeting would be free for the
> preplanned
> agenda items, right?
>
> Best,
> Erik
>
> On Thu, 27 May 2021 at 22:56, Tom Sweeney <tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> Brent,
>>
>> Thanks let's plan on dropping the demo unless there's a new twist or two
>> from the last time. If folks still want to see the demo, perhaps you could
>> run them through it after the Open Forum time.
>>
>> t
>>
>> On 5/27/21 1:52 PM, Brent Baude wrote:
>>
>> @Tom Sweeney <tsweeney(a)redhat.com>
>>
>> I think I could shorten my presentation and instead of giving a demo
>> (which has been done already), I can give a state of affairs on where we
>> are, what is left to be done, etc. That should free up some extra time.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 9:39 AM Daniel Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/27/21 09:46, Erik Bernoth wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Tom and others,
>>>
>>> With 5 minutes the Open Forum seems a little short to really discuss a
>>> topic that is not on the agenda. Are there other communities or regular
>>> events (e.g. with Fedora or OCI)
>>> where people can discuss ideas and questions with video+audio and
>>> podman developers present?
>>> Some topics take just so much longer when discussed via email. How are
>>> these usually treated in this community?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Erik
>>>
>>> If you want more time, please suggest a topic and specify the amount of
>>> time you would like.
>>>
>>> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 20:08, Tom Sweeney <tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> Just a quick note that the next Podman Community Meeting is
>>>> coming
>>>> up a week from this coming Tuesday. It will be Tuesday June 1, 2021
>>>> at
>>>> 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4). We're overloaded with topics this time and
>>>> will be talking about Podman and TYE, Podman v3.2.0 updates, Podman in
>>>> Kubernetes and Podman Machine updates. The full agenda with the link
>>>> to
>>>> the video conference is here
>>>> (https://podman.io/community/meeting/agenda/). Check out the link to
>>>> WorldTImeBuddy at the top of the web page for the agenda for an easy
>>>> time converter for your local time. As usual, no charge to attend!
>>>>
>>>> Also, I just posted the meeting notes from the May 2021 meeting.
>>>> They include links to the slides on Sysbox runtime, a link to the
>>>> video
>>>> recording and my bad attempt at taking notes during the meeting.
>>>> https://podman.io/community/meeting/notes/2021-05-04/
>>>>
>>>> As a quick note, given the number of people that we've heard
from
>>>> who will be on vacation in early July, we have decided to not hold the
>>>> meeting that month. Our following meeting will be Tuesday August 3rd,
>>>> also at 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4).
>>>>
>>>> t
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Podman mailing list -- podman(a)lists.podman.io
>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to podman-leave(a)lists.podman.io
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>>>
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2:05 p.m.
New subject: Podman Community Meeting - Tues June 1, 2021 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4)
On 6/9/21 13:50, Erik Bernoth wrote:
Alright, I didn't get more responses, so I think payout for
invested
time is the key issue.
For me, Podman is a key technology that could be running everywhere,
including Mars rovers, including smart phones (let's face it, Apps are
basically containers), etc. Everywhere where IoT can be used podman
makes sense.
And the amount of IoT that surrounds us will just grow. So it's a huge
project, even if it hasn't reached that scale yet in terms of daily work.
SGTM
Therefore, I would say that the community interaction should also be
thought of in these terms. And if I look at other big projects, they
often have community office hours, where users can bring in discussion
topics.
E.g.
https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/events/office-hours.md
<https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/events/office-hours.m...
So the value of thinking big in terms of community management is huge.
But the personal time investment of individual people doesn't have to
be. A few ideas:
(1) The work could be split up, like cleaning the kitchen in a shared
apartment
(2) Users could be involved in the facilitation of individual sessions
(3) One could look for other companies that would be interested
enough in this project's growth to add some headcount (e.g., big
customers)
(4) One could find other companies that want to create something
similar and keep an eye on what this project is doing (thinking Apple
might be wanting to build their own container engine on their own
kernel but make sure the CLI is almost identical)
(5) There might be other FOSS projects that have, or could have in
the future, a high dependency on Podman's success, and therefore might
be interested in sharing community management resources
(6) If we can think up an experiment that can show community traction
(or even better: customer traction), and that experiment succeeds,
then usually management is happy to add a headcount or two
So, it doesn't mean that people who are busy crunching bugs would have
attend an online meeting every week.
What do you think about that? Do you have other ideas that I could add
to the list?
Best,
Erik
PS: I have to admit that after only getting a response from Dan, I was
a little frustrated. My main intention when I started this was trying
to figure out if I can use my newly acquired Agile skills in the
project. But I don't think I can transfer
these skills from colorful sticky notes to IRC messages. If someone
has an idea who else might have tried something like that, I'm also
curious to learn about it.
What I am doing now with that desire is I'm looking for communities
that work more with audio-visual communication anyways. And maybe
there's still some opportunity to combine both through (5) in the future.
Sorry I did not mean to frustrate you, I am fine with this suggestion.
I am just skeptical people will show up. But we can try it out. I have
no idea how to setup a You Tube Channel for this or just do it with
google chat or Bluejeans. Whatever is the lowest Barrier to entry.
What do these teams do if noone shows up?
On Mon, 31 May 2021 at 09:28, Erik Bernoth <erik.bernoth(a)gmail.com
<mailto:erik.bernoth@gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks for sharing, Dan!
I also want to share a worry that I have: As I was the one
suggesting, I worry that the success of the idea fully depends on
me doing all the work forever to keep it going,
and that my success as a member of the community would be measured
only in the value of that mini-project.
Logically I already know that this is not the case, but I'm not
always logical.
Worries about weekly video call:
- time commitment
- personal responsibility and impact
What other possible problems might we encounter?
On Sun, 30 May 2021 at 13:09, Daniel Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com
<mailto:dwalsh@redhat.com>> wrote:
On 5/30/21 02:41, Erik Bernoth wrote:
> Thanks a lot for all the inputs.
>
> From what I see, I would say that extending the Open Forum
> part of the meeting would require other people cutting their
> allotted speaking time.
> If they don't have much to share anyways, then that is okay.
> But usually that doesn't sound like a good exchange for me,
> allowing one person to speak more
> by decreasing what is accepted for another person.
>
Mainly peoples commitment of time. We could try an IRC
Meeting like this, where people could partially pay attention,
but have a video meeting on a weekly basis, might be a time
sync, with limited benefit.
> So, I was thinking. What would stop us from doing a weekly
> meeting that is mostly Open Forum? Then the monthly meeting
> would be free for the preplanned
> agenda items, right?
>
> Best,
> Erik
>
> On Thu, 27 May 2021 at 22:56, Tom Sweeney
> <tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com <mailto:tom.sweeney@redhat.com>> wrote:
>
> Brent,
>
> Thanks let's plan on dropping the demo unless there's a
> new twist or two from the last time. If folks still want
> to see the demo, perhaps you could run them through it
> after the Open Forum time.
>
> t
>
> On 5/27/21 1:52 PM, Brent Baude wrote:
>> @Tom Sweeney <mailto:tsweeney@redhat.com>
>> I think I could shorten my presentation and instead of
>> giving a demo (which has been done already), I can give
>> a state of affairs on where we are, what is left to be
>> done, etc. That should free up some extra time.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 9:39 AM Daniel Walsh
>> <dwalsh(a)redhat.com <mailto:dwalsh@redhat.com>> wrote:
>>
>> On 5/27/21 09:46, Erik Bernoth wrote:
>>> Hi Tom and others,
>>>
>>> With 5 minutes the Open Forum seems a little short
>>> to really discuss a topic that is not on the
>>> agenda. Are there other communities or regular
>>> events (e.g. with Fedora or OCI)
>>> where people can discuss ideas and questions with
>>> video+audio and podman developers present?
>>> Some topics take just so much longer when discussed
>>> via email. How are these usually treated in this
>>> community?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Erik
>>>
>> If you want more time, please suggest a topic and
>> specify the amount of time you would like.
>>> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 20:08, Tom Sweeney
>>> <tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com
>>> <mailto:tom.sweeney@redhat.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Just a quick note that the next Podman
>>> Community Meeting is coming
>>> up a week from this coming Tuesday. It will be
>>> Tuesday June 1, 2021 at
>>> 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4). We're overloaded with
>>> topics this time and
>>> will be talking about Podman and TYE, Podman
>>> v3.2.0 updates, Podman in
>>> Kubernetes and Podman Machine updates. The full
>>> agenda with the link to
>>> the video conference is here
>>> (https://podman.io/community/meeting/agenda/
>>> <https://podman.io/community/meeting/agenda/>).
>>> Check out the link to
>>> WorldTImeBuddy at the top of the web page for
>>> the agenda for an easy
>>> time converter for your local time. As usual,
>>> no charge to attend!
>>>
>>> Also, I just posted the meeting notes from
>>> the May 2021 meeting.
>>> They include links to the slides on Sysbox
>>> runtime, a link to the video
>>> recording and my bad attempt at taking notes
>>> during the meeting.
>>> https://podman.io/community/meeting/notes/2021-05-04/
>>>
<https://podman.io/community/meeting/notes/2021-05-04/>
>>>
>>> As a quick note, given the number of
>>> people that we've heard from
>>> who will be on vacation in early July, we have
>>> decided to not hold the
>>> meeting that month. Our following meeting will
>>> be Tuesday August 3rd,
>>> also at 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4).
>>>
>>> t
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Podman mailing list -- podman(a)lists.podman.io
>>> <mailto:podman@lists.podman.io>
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7:34 a.m.
New subject: Podman Community Meeting - Tues June 1, 2021 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4)
Sorry I did not mean to frustrate you, I am fine with this
suggestion.
I am just skeptical people will show up. But we can try it out. I have
no
idea how to setup a You Tube Channel for this or just do it with google
chat or Bluejeans. Whatever is the lowest Barrier to entry.
Means a lot to read that, Dan! I wasn't frustrated with you, though, just
with my inability to create more responses.
Thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts!
What do these teams do if noone shows up?
How about we schedule at least two people to go in the beginning?
First of all, two people get bored less often, and if a third person shows
up it's also less awkward.
Altogether I wouldn't worry too much. The first month maybe nobody comes
because nobody knows it exists yet, but then I would expect participation
to grow.
Best,
Erik
On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 at 21:05, Daniel Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> On 6/9/21 13:50, Erik Bernoth wrote:
>
> Alright, I didn't get more responses, so I think payout for invested time
> is the key issue.
>
> For me, Podman is a key technology that could be running everywhere,
> including Mars rovers, including smart phones (let's face it, Apps are
> basically containers), etc. Everywhere where IoT can be used podman makes
> sense.
> And the amount of IoT that surrounds us will just grow. So it's a huge
> project, even if it hasn't reached that scale yet in terms of daily work.
>
> SGTM
>
> Therefore, I would say that the community interaction should also be
> thought of in these terms. And if I look at other big projects, they often
> have community office hours, where users can bring in discussion topics.
> E.g.
> https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/events/office-hours.md
>
> So the value of thinking big in terms of community management is huge.
> But the personal time investment of individual people doesn't have to be.
> A few ideas:
> (1) The work could be split up, like cleaning the kitchen in a shared
> apartment
> (2) Users could be involved in the facilitation of individual sessions
> (3) One could look for other companies that would be interested enough in
> this project's growth to add some headcount (e.g., big customers)
> (4) One could find other companies that want to create something similar
> and keep an eye on what this project is doing (thinking Apple might be
> wanting to build their own container engine on their own kernel but make
> sure the CLI is almost identical)
> (5) There might be other FOSS projects that have, or could have in the
> future, a high dependency on Podman's success, and therefore might be
> interested in sharing community management resources
> (6) If we can think up an experiment that can show community traction (or
> even better: customer traction), and that experiment succeeds, then usually
> management is happy to add a headcount or two
>
> So, it doesn't mean that people who are busy crunching bugs would have
> attend an online meeting every week.
>
> What do you think about that? Do you have other ideas that I could add to
> the list?
>
> Best,
> Erik
>
> PS: I have to admit that after only getting a response from Dan, I was a
> little frustrated. My main intention when I started this was trying to
> figure out if I can use my newly acquired Agile skills in the project. But
> I don't think I can transfer
> these skills from colorful sticky notes to IRC messages. If someone has an
> idea who else might have tried something like that, I'm also curious to
> learn about it.
> What I am doing now with that desire is I'm looking for communities that
> work more with audio-visual communication anyways. And maybe there's still
> some opportunity to combine both through (5) in the future.
>
> Sorry I did not mean to frustrate you, I am fine with this suggestion. I
> am just skeptical people will show up. But we can try it out. I have no
> idea how to setup a You Tube Channel for this or just do it with google
> chat or Bluejeans. Whatever is the lowest Barrier to entry.
>
What do these teams do if noone shows up?
>
>
> On Mon, 31 May 2021 at 09:28, Erik Bernoth <erik.bernoth(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sharing, Dan!
>>
>> I also want to share a worry that I have: As I was the one suggesting, I
>> worry that the success of the idea fully depends on me doing all the work
>> forever to keep it going,
>> and that my success as a member of the community would be measured only
>> in the value of that mini-project.
>> Logically I already know that this is not the case, but I'm not always
>> logical.
>>
>> Worries about weekly video call:
>> - time commitment
>> - personal responsibility and impact
>>
>> What other possible problems might we encounter?
>>
>> On Sun, 30 May 2021 at 13:09, Daniel Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/30/21 02:41, Erik Bernoth wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot for all the inputs.
>>>
>>> From what I see, I would say that extending the Open Forum part of the
>>> meeting would require other people cutting their allotted speaking time.
>>> If they don't have much to share anyways, then that is okay. But usually
>>> that doesn't sound like a good exchange for me, allowing one person to
>>> speak more
>>> by decreasing what is accepted for another person.
>>>
>>> Mainly peoples commitment of time. We could try an IRC Meeting like
>>> this, where people could partially pay attention, but have a video meeting
>>> on a weekly basis, might be a time sync, with limited benefit.
>>>
>>> So, I was thinking. What would stop us from doing a weekly meeting that
>>> is mostly Open Forum? Then the monthly meeting would be free for the
>>> preplanned
>>> agenda items, right?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Erik
>>>
>>> On Thu, 27 May 2021 at 22:56, Tom Sweeney <tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Brent,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks let's plan on dropping the demo unless there's a new twist
or
>>>> two from the last time. If folks still want to see the demo, perhaps
you
>>>> could run them through it after the Open Forum time.
>>>>
>>>> t
>>>>
>>>> On 5/27/21 1:52 PM, Brent Baude wrote:
>>>>
>>>> @Tom Sweeney <tsweeney(a)redhat.com>
>>>>
>>>> I think I could shorten my presentation and instead of giving a demo
>>>> (which has been done already), I can give a state of affairs on where we
>>>> are, what is left to be done, etc. That should free up some extra time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 9:39 AM Daniel Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/27/21 09:46, Erik Bernoth wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tom and others,
>>>>>
>>>>> With 5 minutes the Open Forum seems a little short to really discuss
a
>>>>> topic that is not on the agenda. Are there other communities or
regular
>>>>> events (e.g. with Fedora or OCI)
>>>>> where people can discuss ideas and questions with video+audio and
>>>>> podman developers present?
>>>>> Some topics take just so much longer when discussed via email. How
are
>>>>> these usually treated in this community?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Erik
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want more time, please suggest a topic and specify the amount
>>>>> of time you would like.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 20:08, Tom Sweeney
<tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a quick note that the next Podman Community Meeting is
>>>>>> coming
>>>>>> up a week from this coming Tuesday. It will be Tuesday June 1,
2021
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4). We're overloaded with topics this
time and
>>>>>> will be talking about Podman and TYE, Podman v3.2.0 updates,
Podman
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> Kubernetes and Podman Machine updates. The full agenda with the
link
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the video conference is here
>>>>>> (https://podman.io/community/meeting/agenda/). Check out the
link
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> WorldTImeBuddy at the top of the web page for the agenda for an
easy
>>>>>> time converter for your local time. As usual, no charge to
attend!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, I just posted the meeting notes from the May 2021
>>>>>> meeting.
>>>>>> They include links to the slides on Sysbox runtime, a link to
the
>>>>>> video
>>>>>> recording and my bad attempt at taking notes during the meeting.
>>>>>> https://podman.io/community/meeting/notes/2021-05-04/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a quick note, given the number of people that we've
heard
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> who will be on vacation in early July, we have decided to not
hold
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> meeting that month. Our following meeting will be Tuesday
August
>>>>>> 3rd,
>>>>>> also at 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> t
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Podman mailing list -- podman(a)lists.podman.io
>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to podman-leave(a)lists.podman.io
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Podman mailing list -- podman(a)lists.podman.io
>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to podman-leave(a)lists.podman.io
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Podman mailing list -- podman(a)lists.podman.io
>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to podman-leave(a)lists.podman.io
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Podman mailing list -- podman(a)lists.podman.io
>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to podman-leave(a)lists.podman.io
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
3:02 p.m.
New subject: Podman Community Meeting - Tues June 1, 2021 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4)
Good Afternoon,
Based on the discussion in the last community meeting, I have opened a
ticket related kubernetes and podman:
https://github.com/containers/podman.io/issues/412
Thanks,
Faisal R.
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On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 8:38 AM Erik Bernoth <erik.bernoth(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry I did not mean to frustrate you, I am fine with this
suggestion.
I am just skeptical people will show up. But we can try it out. I have no
idea how to setup a You Tube Channel for this or just do it with google
chat or Bluejeans. Whatever is the lowest Barrier to entry.
Means a lot to read that, Dan! I wasn't frustrated with you, though, just
with my inability to create more responses.
Thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts!
> What do these teams do if noone shows up?
How about we schedule at least two people to go in the beginning?
First of all, two people get bored less often, and if a third person shows
up it's also less awkward.
Altogether I wouldn't worry too much. The first month maybe nobody comes
because nobody knows it exists yet, but then I would expect participation
to grow.
Best,
Erik
On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 at 21:05, Daniel Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> On 6/9/21 13:50, Erik Bernoth wrote:
>
> Alright, I didn't get more responses, so I think payout for invested time
> is the key issue.
>
> For me, Podman is a key technology that could be running everywhere,
> including Mars rovers, including smart phones (let's face it, Apps are
> basically containers), etc. Everywhere where IoT can be used podman makes
> sense.
> And the amount of IoT that surrounds us will just grow. So it's a huge
> project, even if it hasn't reached that scale yet in terms of daily work.
>
> SGTM
>
> Therefore, I would say that the community interaction should also be
> thought of in these terms. And if I look at other big projects, they often
> have community office hours, where users can bring in discussion topics.
> E.g.
> https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/events/office-hours.md
>
> So the value of thinking big in terms of community management is huge.
> But the personal time investment of individual people doesn't have to be.
> A few ideas:
> (1) The work could be split up, like cleaning the kitchen in a shared
> apartment
> (2) Users could be involved in the facilitation of individual sessions
> (3) One could look for other companies that would be interested enough
> in this project's growth to add some headcount (e.g., big customers)
> (4) One could find other companies that want to create something similar
> and keep an eye on what this project is doing (thinking Apple might be
> wanting to build their own container engine on their own kernel but make
> sure the CLI is almost identical)
> (5) There might be other FOSS projects that have, or could have in the
> future, a high dependency on Podman's success, and therefore might be
> interested in sharing community management resources
> (6) If we can think up an experiment that can show community traction
> (or even better: customer traction), and that experiment succeeds, then
> usually management is happy to add a headcount or two
>
> So, it doesn't mean that people who are busy crunching bugs would have
> attend an online meeting every week.
>
> What do you think about that? Do you have other ideas that I could add to
> the list?
>
> Best,
> Erik
>
> PS: I have to admit that after only getting a response from Dan, I was a
> little frustrated. My main intention when I started this was trying to
> figure out if I can use my newly acquired Agile skills in the project. But
> I don't think I can transfer
> these skills from colorful sticky notes to IRC messages. If someone has
> an idea who else might have tried something like that, I'm also curious to
> learn about it.
> What I am doing now with that desire is I'm looking for communities that
> work more with audio-visual communication anyways. And maybe there's still
> some opportunity to combine both through (5) in the future.
>
> Sorry I did not mean to frustrate you, I am fine with this suggestion. I
> am just skeptical people will show up. But we can try it out. I have no
> idea how to setup a You Tube Channel for this or just do it with google
> chat or Bluejeans. Whatever is the lowest Barrier to entry.
>
> What do these teams do if noone shows up?
>
>
> On Mon, 31 May 2021 at 09:28, Erik Bernoth <erik.bernoth(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sharing, Dan!
>>
>> I also want to share a worry that I have: As I was the one suggesting, I
>> worry that the success of the idea fully depends on me doing all the work
>> forever to keep it going,
>> and that my success as a member of the community would be measured only
>> in the value of that mini-project.
>> Logically I already know that this is not the case, but I'm not always
>> logical.
>>
>> Worries about weekly video call:
>> - time commitment
>> - personal responsibility and impact
>>
>> What other possible problems might we encounter?
>>
>> On Sun, 30 May 2021 at 13:09, Daniel Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/30/21 02:41, Erik Bernoth wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot for all the inputs.
>>>
>>> From what I see, I would say that extending the Open Forum part of the
>>> meeting would require other people cutting their allotted speaking time.
>>> If they don't have much to share anyways, then that is okay. But
>>> usually that doesn't sound like a good exchange for me, allowing one
person
>>> to speak more
>>> by decreasing what is accepted for another person.
>>>
>>> Mainly peoples commitment of time. We could try an IRC Meeting like
>>> this, where people could partially pay attention, but have a video meeting
>>> on a weekly basis, might be a time sync, with limited benefit.
>>>
>>> So, I was thinking. What would stop us from doing a weekly meeting that
>>> is mostly Open Forum? Then the monthly meeting would be free for the
>>> preplanned
>>> agenda items, right?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Erik
>>>
>>> On Thu, 27 May 2021 at 22:56, Tom Sweeney <tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Brent,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks let's plan on dropping the demo unless there's a new twist
or
>>>> two from the last time. If folks still want to see the demo, perhaps
you
>>>> could run them through it after the Open Forum time.
>>>>
>>>> t
>>>>
>>>> On 5/27/21 1:52 PM, Brent Baude wrote:
>>>>
>>>> @Tom Sweeney <tsweeney(a)redhat.com>
>>>>
>>>> I think I could shorten my presentation and instead of giving a demo
>>>> (which has been done already), I can give a state of affairs on where we
>>>> are, what is left to be done, etc. That should free up some extra time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 9:39 AM Daniel Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/27/21 09:46, Erik Bernoth wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tom and others,
>>>>>
>>>>> With 5 minutes the Open Forum seems a little short to really discuss
>>>>> a topic that is not on the agenda. Are there other communities or
regular
>>>>> events (e.g. with Fedora or OCI)
>>>>> where people can discuss ideas and questions with video+audio and
>>>>> podman developers present?
>>>>> Some topics take just so much longer when discussed via email. How
>>>>> are these usually treated in this community?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Erik
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want more time, please suggest a topic and specify the amount
>>>>> of time you would like.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 20:08, Tom Sweeney
<tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a quick note that the next Podman Community Meeting is
>>>>>> coming
>>>>>> up a week from this coming Tuesday. It will be Tuesday June 1,
2021
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4). We're overloaded with topics this
time and
>>>>>> will be talking about Podman and TYE, Podman v3.2.0 updates,
Podman
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> Kubernetes and Podman Machine updates. The full agenda with the
link
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the video conference is here
>>>>>> (https://podman.io/community/meeting/agenda/). Check out the
link
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> WorldTImeBuddy at the top of the web page for the agenda for an
easy
>>>>>> time converter for your local time. As usual, no charge to
attend!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, I just posted the meeting notes from the May 2021
>>>>>> meeting.
>>>>>> They include links to the slides on Sysbox runtime, a link to
the
>>>>>> video
>>>>>> recording and my bad attempt at taking notes during the meeting.
>>>>>> https://podman.io/community/meeting/notes/2021-05-04/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a quick note, given the number of people that we've
heard
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> who will be on vacation in early July, we have decided to not
hold
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> meeting that month. Our following meeting will be Tuesday
August
>>>>>> 3rd,
>>>>>> also at 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> t
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Podman mailing list -- podman(a)lists.podman.io
>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to podman-leave(a)lists.podman.io
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Podman mailing list -- podman(a)lists.podman.io
>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to podman-leave(a)lists.podman.io
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Podman mailing list -- podman(a)lists.podman.io
>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to podman-leave(a)lists.podman.io
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Podman mailing list -- podman(a)lists.podman.io
>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to podman-leave(a)lists.podman.io
>>>>
>>>
>>>
> _______________________________________________
Podman mailing list -- podman(a)lists.podman.io
To unsubscribe send an email to podman-leave(a)lists.podman.io
5:37 p.m.
New subject: Podman Community Meeting - Tues June 1, 2021 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4)
I know Dan replied, and I've meant to tie off with Urvashi about this
next bit. We've talked about it briefly, but haven't dottted all the
i's or crossed all the t's yet.
What I'm suggesting to Urvashi is to covert the standup meeting that she
runs for the Red Hat folks on the third Thursday of the month to an open
ended standup meeting, open to anyone in the community. If people dial
into the conference, we'll take any questions that we can handle in the
hour that the standup runs. If no one shows, then we'll just do our
usual standup. That meeting happens at 11:00 a.m. on that Thursday and
I would send out reminders via this list and twitter for folks to join in.
We'd probably start it in Google Meet or BlueJeans, if it got too big,
we could talk about Twitch, YouTube or some other platform later.
Currently the community meeting is getting about 30 to 50 attendees.
Would that work? Urvashi, let's talk details?
t
ps. Sorry for the tardy reply, my inbox is overflowing as of late.
On 6/9/21 1:50 PM, Erik Bernoth wrote:
Alright, I didn't get more responses, so I think payout for
invested
time is the key issue.
For me, Podman is a key technology that could be running everywhere,
including Mars rovers, including smart phones (let's face it, Apps are
basically containers), etc. Everywhere where IoT can be used podman
makes sense.
And the amount of IoT that surrounds us will just grow. So it's a huge
project, even if it hasn't reached that scale yet in terms of daily work.
Therefore, I would say that the community interaction should also be
thought of in these terms. And if I look at other big projects, they
often have community office hours, where users can bring in discussion
topics.
E.g.
https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/events/office-hours.md
<https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/events/office-hours.m...
So the value of thinking big in terms of community management is huge.
But the personal time investment of individual people doesn't have to
be. A few ideas:
(1) The work could be split up, like cleaning the kitchen in a shared
apartment
(2) Users could be involved in the facilitation of individual sessions
(3) One could look for other companies that would be interested
enough in this project's growth to add some headcount (e.g., big
customers)
(4) One could find other companies that want to create something
similar and keep an eye on what this project is doing (thinking Apple
might be wanting to build their own container engine on their own
kernel but make sure the CLI is almost identical)
(5) There might be other FOSS projects that have, or could have in
the future, a high dependency on Podman's success, and therefore might
be interested in sharing community management resources
(6) If we can think up an experiment that can show community traction
(or even better: customer traction), and that experiment succeeds,
then usually management is happy to add a headcount or two
So, it doesn't mean that people who are busy crunching bugs would have
attend an online meeting every week.
What do you think about that? Do you have other ideas that I could add
to the list?
Best,
Erik
PS: I have to admit that after only getting a response from Dan, I was
a little frustrated. My main intention when I started this was trying
to figure out if I can use my newly acquired Agile skills in the
project. But I don't think I can transfer
these skills from colorful sticky notes to IRC messages. If someone
has an idea who else might have tried something like that, I'm also
curious to learn about it.
What I am doing now with that desire is I'm looking for communities
that work more with audio-visual communication anyways. And maybe
there's still some opportunity to combine both through (5) in the future.
On Mon, 31 May 2021 at 09:28, Erik Bernoth <erik.bernoth(a)gmail.com
<mailto:erik.bernoth@gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks for sharing, Dan!
I also want to share a worry that I have: As I was the one
suggesting, I worry that the success of the idea fully depends on
me doing all the work forever to keep it going,
and that my success as a member of the community would be measured
only in the value of that mini-project.
Logically I already know that this is not the case, but I'm not
always logical.
Worries about weekly video call:
- time commitment
- personal responsibility and impact
What other possible problems might we encounter?
On Sun, 30 May 2021 at 13:09, Daniel Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com
<mailto:dwalsh@redhat.com>> wrote:
On 5/30/21 02:41, Erik Bernoth wrote:
> Thanks a lot for all the inputs.
>
> From what I see, I would say that extending the Open Forum
> part of the meeting would require other people cutting their
> allotted speaking time.
> If they don't have much to share anyways, then that is okay.
> But usually that doesn't sound like a good exchange for me,
> allowing one person to speak more
> by decreasing what is accepted for another person.
>
Mainly peoples commitment of time. We could try an IRC
Meeting like this, where people could partially pay attention,
but have a video meeting on a weekly basis, might be a time
sync, with limited benefit.
> So, I was thinking. What would stop us from doing a weekly
> meeting that is mostly Open Forum? Then the monthly meeting
> would be free for the preplanned
> agenda items, right?
>
> Best,
> Erik
>
> On Thu, 27 May 2021 at 22:56, Tom Sweeney
> <tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com <mailto:tom.sweeney@redhat.com>> wrote:
>
> Brent,
>
> Thanks let's plan on dropping the demo unless there's a
> new twist or two from the last time. If folks still want
> to see the demo, perhaps you could run them through it
> after the Open Forum time.
>
> t
>
> On 5/27/21 1:52 PM, Brent Baude wrote:
>> @Tom Sweeney <mailto:tsweeney@redhat.com>
>> I think I could shorten my presentation and instead of
>> giving a demo (which has been done already), I can give
>> a state of affairs on where we are, what is left to be
>> done, etc. That should free up some extra time.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 9:39 AM Daniel Walsh
>> <dwalsh(a)redhat.com <mailto:dwalsh@redhat.com>> wrote:
>>
>> On 5/27/21 09:46, Erik Bernoth wrote:
>>> Hi Tom and others,
>>>
>>> With 5 minutes the Open Forum seems a little short
>>> to really discuss a topic that is not on the
>>> agenda. Are there other communities or regular
>>> events (e.g. with Fedora or OCI)
>>> where people can discuss ideas and questions with
>>> video+audio and podman developers present?
>>> Some topics take just so much longer when discussed
>>> via email. How are these usually treated in this
>>> community?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Erik
>>>
>> If you want more time, please suggest a topic and
>> specify the amount of time you would like.
>>> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 20:08, Tom Sweeney
>>> <tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com
>>> <mailto:tom.sweeney@redhat.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Just a quick note that the next Podman
>>> Community Meeting is coming
>>> up a week from this coming Tuesday. It will be
>>> Tuesday June 1, 2021 at
>>> 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4). We're overloaded with
>>> topics this time and
>>> will be talking about Podman and TYE, Podman
>>> v3.2.0 updates, Podman in
>>> Kubernetes and Podman Machine updates. The full
>>> agenda with the link to
>>> the video conference is here
>>> (https://podman.io/community/meeting/agenda/
>>> <https://podman.io/community/meeting/agenda/>).
>>> Check out the link to
>>> WorldTImeBuddy at the top of the web page for
>>> the agenda for an easy
>>> time converter for your local time. As usual,
>>> no charge to attend!
>>>
>>> Also, I just posted the meeting notes from
>>> the May 2021 meeting.
>>> They include links to the slides on Sysbox
>>> runtime, a link to the video
>>> recording and my bad attempt at taking notes
>>> during the meeting.
>>> https://podman.io/community/meeting/notes/2021-05-04/
>>>
<https://podman.io/community/meeting/notes/2021-05-04/>
>>>
>>> As a quick note, given the number of
>>> people that we've heard from
>>> who will be on vacation in early July, we have
>>> decided to not hold the
>>> meeting that month. Our following meeting will
>>> be Tuesday August 3rd,
>>> also at 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4).
>>>
>>> t
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7:40 a.m.
New subject: Podman Community Meeting - Tues June 1, 2021 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4)
We'd probably start it in Google Meet or BlueJeans
I like that. Starting small. If Youtube streaming is rather quick and easy
(which I assume), then I would like to test it unofficially on my private
youtube account.
If it fails it's not a big deal, because it was unofficial anyways.
Urvashi, let's talk details?
Yes, let's discuss it here and let's not dot all the i's. These details can
be the agenda for the first few office hours.
Best,
Erik
On Thu, 10 Jun 2021 at 00:38, Tom Sweeney <tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com> wrote:
I know Dan replied, and I've meant to tie off with Urvashi about
this next
bit. We've talked about it briefly, but haven't dottted all the i's or
crossed all the t's yet.
What I'm suggesting to Urvashi is to covert the standup meeting that she
runs for the Red Hat folks on the third Thursday of the month to an open
ended standup meeting, open to anyone in the community. If people dial
into the conference, we'll take any questions that we can handle in the
hour that the standup runs. If no one shows, then we'll just do our usual
standup. That meeting happens at 11:00 a.m. on that Thursday and I would
send out reminders via this list and twitter for folks to join in.
We'd probably start it in Google Meet or BlueJeans, if it got too big, we
could talk about Twitch, YouTube or some other platform later. Currently
the community meeting is getting about 30 to 50 attendees.
Would that work? Urvashi, let's talk details?
t
ps. Sorry for the tardy reply, my inbox is overflowing as of late.
On 6/9/21 1:50 PM, Erik Bernoth wrote:
Alright, I didn't get more responses, so I think payout for invested time
is the key issue.
For me, Podman is a key technology that could be running everywhere,
including Mars rovers, including smart phones (let's face it, Apps are
basically containers), etc. Everywhere where IoT can be used podman makes
sense.
And the amount of IoT that surrounds us will just grow. So it's a huge
project, even if it hasn't reached that scale yet in terms of daily work.
Therefore, I would say that the community interaction should also be
thought of in these terms. And if I look at other big projects, they often
have community office hours, where users can bring in discussion topics.
E.g.
https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/events/office-hours.md
So the value of thinking big in terms of community management is huge.
But the personal time investment of individual people doesn't have to be.
A few ideas:
(1) The work could be split up, like cleaning the kitchen in a shared
apartment
(2) Users could be involved in the facilitation of individual sessions
(3) One could look for other companies that would be interested enough in
this project's growth to add some headcount (e.g., big customers)
(4) One could find other companies that want to create something similar
and keep an eye on what this project is doing (thinking Apple might be
wanting to build their own container engine on their own kernel but make
sure the CLI is almost identical)
(5) There might be other FOSS projects that have, or could have in the
future, a high dependency on Podman's success, and therefore might be
interested in sharing community management resources
(6) If we can think up an experiment that can show community traction (or
even better: customer traction), and that experiment succeeds, then usually
management is happy to add a headcount or two
So, it doesn't mean that people who are busy crunching bugs would have
attend an online meeting every week.
What do you think about that? Do you have other ideas that I could add to
the list?
Best,
Erik
PS: I have to admit that after only getting a response from Dan, I was a
little frustrated. My main intention when I started this was trying to
figure out if I can use my newly acquired Agile skills in the project. But
I don't think I can transfer
these skills from colorful sticky notes to IRC messages. If someone has an
idea who else might have tried something like that, I'm also curious to
learn about it.
What I am doing now with that desire is I'm looking for communities that
work more with audio-visual communication anyways. And maybe there's still
some opportunity to combine both through (5) in the future.
On Mon, 31 May 2021 at 09:28, Erik Bernoth <erik.bernoth(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for sharing, Dan!
>
> I also want to share a worry that I have: As I was the one suggesting, I
> worry that the success of the idea fully depends on me doing all the work
> forever to keep it going,
> and that my success as a member of the community would be measured only
> in the value of that mini-project.
> Logically I already know that this is not the case, but I'm not always
> logical.
>
> Worries about weekly video call:
> - time commitment
> - personal responsibility and impact
>
> What other possible problems might we encounter?
>
> On Sun, 30 May 2021 at 13:09, Daniel Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/30/21 02:41, Erik Bernoth wrote:
>>
>> Thanks a lot for all the inputs.
>>
>> From what I see, I would say that extending the Open Forum part of the
>> meeting would require other people cutting their allotted speaking time.
>> If they don't have much to share anyways, then that is okay. But usually
>> that doesn't sound like a good exchange for me, allowing one person to
>> speak more
>> by decreasing what is accepted for another person.
>>
>> Mainly peoples commitment of time. We could try an IRC Meeting like
>> this, where people could partially pay attention, but have a video meeting
>> on a weekly basis, might be a time sync, with limited benefit.
>>
>> So, I was thinking. What would stop us from doing a weekly meeting that
>> is mostly Open Forum? Then the monthly meeting would be free for the
>> preplanned
>> agenda items, right?
>>
>> Best,
>> Erik
>>
>> On Thu, 27 May 2021 at 22:56, Tom Sweeney <tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Brent,
>>>
>>> Thanks let's plan on dropping the demo unless there's a new twist or
>>> two from the last time. If folks still want to see the demo, perhaps you
>>> could run them through it after the Open Forum time.
>>>
>>> t
>>>
>>> On 5/27/21 1:52 PM, Brent Baude wrote:
>>>
>>> @Tom Sweeney <tsweeney(a)redhat.com>
>>>
>>> I think I could shorten my presentation and instead of giving a demo
>>> (which has been done already), I can give a state of affairs on where we
>>> are, what is left to be done, etc. That should free up some extra time.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 9:39 AM Daniel Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/27/21 09:46, Erik Bernoth wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Tom and others,
>>>>
>>>> With 5 minutes the Open Forum seems a little short to really discuss a
>>>> topic that is not on the agenda. Are there other communities or regular
>>>> events (e.g. with Fedora or OCI)
>>>> where people can discuss ideas and questions with video+audio and
>>>> podman developers present?
>>>> Some topics take just so much longer when discussed via email. How are
>>>> these usually treated in this community?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Erik
>>>>
>>>> If you want more time, please suggest a topic and specify the amount
>>>> of time you would like.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 20:08, Tom Sweeney <tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a quick note that the next Podman Community Meeting is
>>>>> coming
>>>>> up a week from this coming Tuesday. It will be Tuesday June 1, 2021
>>>>> at
>>>>> 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4). We're overloaded with topics this time
and
>>>>> will be talking about Podman and TYE, Podman v3.2.0 updates, Podman
>>>>> in
>>>>> Kubernetes and Podman Machine updates. The full agenda with the link
>>>>> to
>>>>> the video conference is here
>>>>> (https://podman.io/community/meeting/agenda/). Check out the link
>>>>> to
>>>>> WorldTImeBuddy at the top of the web page for the agenda for an easy
>>>>> time converter for your local time. As usual, no charge to attend!
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I just posted the meeting notes from the May 2021
>>>>> meeting.
>>>>> They include links to the slides on Sysbox runtime, a link to the
>>>>> video
>>>>> recording and my bad attempt at taking notes during the meeting.
>>>>> https://podman.io/community/meeting/notes/2021-05-04/
>>>>>
>>>>> As a quick note, given the number of people that we've
heard
>>>>> from
>>>>> who will be on vacation in early July, we have decided to not hold
>>>>> the
>>>>> meeting that month. Our following meeting will be Tuesday August
>>>>> 3rd,
>>>>> also at 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4).
>>>>>
>>>>> t
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Podman mailing list -- podman(a)lists.podman.io
>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to podman-leave(a)lists.podman.io
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
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1:43 p.m.
New subject: Podman Community Meeting - Tues June 1, 2021 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4)
Hi,
After multiple failed attempts to connect to #podman on https://libera.chat/,
I would like to suggest something that has a way nicer UI and supports many
useful features- https://discordapp.com/. Discord is a really good place to
engage with people interested in FOSS. It also supports video/voice calls,
something which could be useful for quick meetings. And the best part about
is that one can send unlimited messages. All messages are saved in the
channel and don't require manual logging or using a bot.
Discord also hosts a lot of open source projects, here's a curated list on
their official website: https://discord.com/open-source
Getting podman or other related projects registered with discord for an
official server/community can really help this project come to light and
bring in more contributions!
To make it even better, there are well-documented libraries written in
languages like Go, Python, Haskell, etc. that wrap around Discord's API for
bots providing features like hot reloading and command management. Bots can
be significantly useful here as they might provide an interface to interact
with Podman's documentation, look up GitHub issues/PRs/logs, set reminders
about meetings, run untrusted code, etc. This is something that I have made
in the past and I do believe bots can be really helpful!
I mentioned all this because I think the discussion was kind of steered in
a similar direction. This is just a suggestion because I find it really
easy to interact with people on discord and work on projects. This might
not be the case for everyone, but I do hope someone considers this.
Best,
Mehul
McMaster University <aroram18(a)mcmaster.ca>
On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 6:16 PM Erik Bernoth <erik.bernoth(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> We'd probably start it in Google Meet or BlueJeans
I like that. Starting small. If Youtube streaming is rather quick and easy
(which I assume), then I would like to test it unofficially on my private
youtube account.
If it fails it's not a big deal, because it was unofficial anyways.
> Urvashi, let's talk details?
Yes, let's discuss it here and let's not dot all the i's. These details
can be the agenda for the first few office hours.
Best,
Erik
On Thu, 10 Jun 2021 at 00:38, Tom Sweeney <tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> I know Dan replied, and I've meant to tie off with Urvashi about this
> next bit. We've talked about it briefly, but haven't dottted all the
i's
> or crossed all the t's yet.
>
> What I'm suggesting to Urvashi is to covert the standup meeting that she
> runs for the Red Hat folks on the third Thursday of the month to an open
> ended standup meeting, open to anyone in the community. If people dial
> into the conference, we'll take any questions that we can handle in the
> hour that the standup runs. If no one shows, then we'll just do our usual
> standup. That meeting happens at 11:00 a.m. on that Thursday and I would
> send out reminders via this list and twitter for folks to join in.
>
> We'd probably start it in Google Meet or BlueJeans, if it got too big,
> we could talk about Twitch, YouTube or some other platform later.
> Currently the community meeting is getting about 30 to 50 attendees.
>
> Would that work? Urvashi, let's talk details?
>
> t
>
> ps. Sorry for the tardy reply, my inbox is overflowing as of late.
>
> On 6/9/21 1:50 PM, Erik Bernoth wrote:
>
> Alright, I didn't get more responses, so I think payout for invested time
> is the key issue.
>
> For me, Podman is a key technology that could be running everywhere,
> including Mars rovers, including smart phones (let's face it, Apps are
> basically containers), etc. Everywhere where IoT can be used podman makes
> sense.
> And the amount of IoT that surrounds us will just grow. So it's a huge
> project, even if it hasn't reached that scale yet in terms of daily work.
>
> Therefore, I would say that the community interaction should also be
> thought of in these terms. And if I look at other big projects, they often
> have community office hours, where users can bring in discussion topics.
> E.g.
> https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/events/office-hours.md
>
> So the value of thinking big in terms of community management is huge.
> But the personal time investment of individual people doesn't have to be.
> A few ideas:
> (1) The work could be split up, like cleaning the kitchen in a shared
> apartment
> (2) Users could be involved in the facilitation of individual sessions
> (3) One could look for other companies that would be interested enough
> in this project's growth to add some headcount (e.g., big customers)
> (4) One could find other companies that want to create something similar
> and keep an eye on what this project is doing (thinking Apple might be
> wanting to build their own container engine on their own kernel but make
> sure the CLI is almost identical)
> (5) There might be other FOSS projects that have, or could have in the
> future, a high dependency on Podman's success, and therefore might be
> interested in sharing community management resources
> (6) If we can think up an experiment that can show community traction
> (or even better: customer traction), and that experiment succeeds, then
> usually management is happy to add a headcount or two
>
> So, it doesn't mean that people who are busy crunching bugs would have
> attend an online meeting every week.
>
> What do you think about that? Do you have other ideas that I could add to
> the list?
>
> Best,
> Erik
>
> PS: I have to admit that after only getting a response from Dan, I was a
> little frustrated. My main intention when I started this was trying to
> figure out if I can use my newly acquired Agile skills in the project. But
> I don't think I can transfer
> these skills from colorful sticky notes to IRC messages. If someone has
> an idea who else might have tried something like that, I'm also curious to
> learn about it.
> What I am doing now with that desire is I'm looking for communities that
> work more with audio-visual communication anyways. And maybe there's still
> some opportunity to combine both through (5) in the future.
>
>
> On Mon, 31 May 2021 at 09:28, Erik Bernoth <erik.bernoth(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sharing, Dan!
>>
>> I also want to share a worry that I have: As I was the one suggesting, I
>> worry that the success of the idea fully depends on me doing all the work
>> forever to keep it going,
>> and that my success as a member of the community would be measured only
>> in the value of that mini-project.
>> Logically I already know that this is not the case, but I'm not always
>> logical.
>>
>> Worries about weekly video call:
>> - time commitment
>> - personal responsibility and impact
>>
>> What other possible problems might we encounter?
>>
>> On Sun, 30 May 2021 at 13:09, Daniel Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/30/21 02:41, Erik Bernoth wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot for all the inputs.
>>>
>>> From what I see, I would say that extending the Open Forum part of the
>>> meeting would require other people cutting their allotted speaking time.
>>> If they don't have much to share anyways, then that is okay. But
>>> usually that doesn't sound like a good exchange for me, allowing one
person
>>> to speak more
>>> by decreasing what is accepted for another person.
>>>
>>> Mainly peoples commitment of time. We could try an IRC Meeting like
>>> this, where people could partially pay attention, but have a video meeting
>>> on a weekly basis, might be a time sync, with limited benefit.
>>>
>>> So, I was thinking. What would stop us from doing a weekly meeting that
>>> is mostly Open Forum? Then the monthly meeting would be free for the
>>> preplanned
>>> agenda items, right?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Erik
>>>
>>> On Thu, 27 May 2021 at 22:56, Tom Sweeney <tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Brent,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks let's plan on dropping the demo unless there's a new twist
or
>>>> two from the last time. If folks still want to see the demo, perhaps
you
>>>> could run them through it after the Open Forum time.
>>>>
>>>> t
>>>>
>>>> On 5/27/21 1:52 PM, Brent Baude wrote:
>>>>
>>>> @Tom Sweeney <tsweeney(a)redhat.com>
>>>>
>>>> I think I could shorten my presentation and instead of giving a demo
>>>> (which has been done already), I can give a state of affairs on where we
>>>> are, what is left to be done, etc. That should free up some extra time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 9:39 AM Daniel Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/27/21 09:46, Erik Bernoth wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tom and others,
>>>>>
>>>>> With 5 minutes the Open Forum seems a little short to really discuss
>>>>> a topic that is not on the agenda. Are there other communities or
regular
>>>>> events (e.g. with Fedora or OCI)
>>>>> where people can discuss ideas and questions with video+audio and
>>>>> podman developers present?
>>>>> Some topics take just so much longer when discussed via email. How
>>>>> are these usually treated in this community?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Erik
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want more time, please suggest a topic and specify the amount
>>>>> of time you would like.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 20:08, Tom Sweeney
<tom.sweeney(a)redhat.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a quick note that the next Podman Community Meeting is
>>>>>> coming
>>>>>> up a week from this coming Tuesday. It will be Tuesday June 1,
2021
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4). We're overloaded with topics this
time and
>>>>>> will be talking about Podman and TYE, Podman v3.2.0 updates,
Podman
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> Kubernetes and Podman Machine updates. The full agenda with the
link
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the video conference is here
>>>>>> (https://podman.io/community/meeting/agenda/). Check out the
link
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> WorldTImeBuddy at the top of the web page for the agenda for an
easy
>>>>>> time converter for your local time. As usual, no charge to
attend!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, I just posted the meeting notes from the May 2021
>>>>>> meeting.
>>>>>> They include links to the slides on Sysbox runtime, a link to
the
>>>>>> video
>>>>>> recording and my bad attempt at taking notes during the meeting.
>>>>>> https://podman.io/community/meeting/notes/2021-05-04/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a quick note, given the number of people that we've
heard
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> who will be on vacation in early July, we have decided to not
hold
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> meeting that month. Our following meeting will be Tuesday
August
>>>>>> 3rd,
>>>>>> also at 11:00 a.m. EDT (UTC-4).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> t
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Podman mailing list -- podman(a)lists.podman.io
>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to podman-leave(a)lists.podman.io
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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