6:49 a.m.
Hello,
For the purpose of the Subject: there is a tutorial at IBM.com:
https://developer.ibm.com/tutorials/running-x86-64-containers-mac-silicon...
I've followed this tutorial, with a small exception, see below.
The first step is to 'init' the machine with:
$ podman machine init --image-path
~/yourFedoraImageFolder/fedora-coreos-39.20231204.3.3-qemu.x86_64.qcow2.xz intel
Extracting compressed file: intel_fedora-coreos-39.20231204.3.3-qemu.x86_64.qco…
Image resized.
Machine init complete
To start your machine run:
podman machine start intel
Which worked fine. Now, before starting the machine, the tutorial asks to remove the
following
lines from the config file ~/.config/containers/podman/machine/qemu/intel.json:
"-machine",
"q35,accel=hvf:tcg",
"-cpu",
"host",
These line are not there 1:1 and I removed these lines:
$ diff .config/containers/podman/machine/qemu/intel.json
.config/containers/podman/machine/qemu/intel.json.saved2
6a7,12
"-accel",
"hvf",
"-accel",
"tcg",
"-cpu",
"host",
which seems to me correct to remove the HVF QEMU accelerator which only
is supported on x86 chips.
Starting the machine now with:
$ podman machine start intel
Di 16 Jan 2024 12:23:33 CET
Starting machine "intel"
Waiting for VM ...
hangs for ever and the QEMU process has 100% CPU utilization:
top
PID COMMAND %CPU TIME #TH #WQ #PORT MEM PURG CMPRS PGRP
10802 qemu-system- 99.6 23:09.43 8/1 0 27 163M 0B 0B 10800
Any ideas? Thanks
matthias
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7:25 a.m.
New subject: Running x86_64-based containers on Mac computers with an Apple silicon (M1) processor
On 1/16/24 06:49, Matthias Apitz wrote:
Hello,
For the purpose of the Subject: there is a tutorial at IBM.com:
https://developer.ibm.com/tutorials/running-x86-64-containers-mac-silicon...
I've followed this tutorial, with a small exception, see below.
The first step is to 'init' the machine with:
$ podman machine init --image-path
~/yourFedoraImageFolder/fedora-coreos-39.20231204.3.3-qemu.x86_64.qcow2.xz intel
Extracting compressed file: intel_fedora-coreos-39.20231204.3.3-qemu.x86_64.qco…
Image resized.
Machine init complete
To start your machine run:
podman machine start intel
Which worked fine. Now, before starting the machine, the tutorial asks to remove the
following
lines from the config file ~/.config/containers/podman/machine/qemu/intel.json:
"-machine",
"q35,accel=hvf:tcg",
"-cpu",
"host",
These line are not there 1:1 and I removed these lines:
$ diff .config/containers/podman/machine/qemu/intel.json
.config/containers/podman/machine/qemu/intel.json.saved2
6a7,12
> "-accel",
> "hvf",
> "-accel",
> "tcg",
> "-cpu",
> "host",
which seems to me correct to remove the HVF QEMU accelerator which only
is supported on x86 chips.
Starting the machine now with:
$ podman machine start intel
Di 16 Jan 2024 12:23:33 CET
Starting machine "intel"
Waiting for VM ...
hangs for ever and the QEMU process has 100% CPU utilization:
top
PID COMMAND %CPU TIME #TH #WQ #PORT MEM PURG CMPRS PGRP
10802 qemu-system- 99.6 23:09.43 8/1 0 27 163M 0B 0B 10800
Any ideas? Thanks
matthias
Sergio any ideas?
1:30 a.m.
New subject: Running x86_64-based containers on Mac computers with an Apple silicon (M1) processor
El día martes, enero 16, 2024 a las 07:25:33a. m. -0500, Daniel Walsh escribió:
On 1/16/24 06:49, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> Hello,
>
> For the purpose of the Subject: there is a tutorial at IBM.com:
>
> https://developer.ibm.com/tutorials/running-x86-64-containers-mac-silicon...
>
> I've followed this tutorial, with a small exception, see below.
>
> The first step is to 'init' the machine with:
>
> $ podman machine init --image-path
~/yourFedoraImageFolder/fedora-coreos-39.20231204.3.3-qemu.x86_64.qcow2.xz intel
> Extracting compressed file: intel_fedora-coreos-39.20231204.3.3-qemu.x86_64.qco…
> Image resized.
> Machine init complete
> To start your machine run:
>
> podman machine start intel
>
> Which worked fine. Now, before starting the machine, the tutorial asks to remove the
following
> lines from the config file ~/.config/containers/podman/machine/qemu/intel.json:
>
> "-machine",
> "q35,accel=hvf:tcg",
> "-cpu",
> "host",
>
> These line are not there 1:1 and I removed these lines:
>
> $ diff .config/containers/podman/machine/qemu/intel.json
.config/containers/podman/machine/qemu/intel.json.saved2
> 6a7,12
> > "-accel",
> > "hvf",
> > "-accel",
> > "tcg",
> > "-cpu",
> > "host",
> which seems to me correct to remove the HVF QEMU accelerator which only
> is supported on x86 chips.
>
> Starting the machine now with:
>
> $ podman machine start intel
> Di 16 Jan 2024 12:23:33 CET
> Starting machine "intel"
> Waiting for VM ...
>
> hangs for ever and the QEMU process has 100% CPU utilization:
>
> top
> PID COMMAND %CPU TIME #TH #WQ #PORT MEM PURG CMPRS PGRP
> 10802 qemu-system- 99.6 23:09.43 8/1 0 27 163M 0B 0B 10800
>
> Any ideas? Thanks
>
> matthias
>
>
Sergio any ideas?
Only for the records: I used podman and qemu as installed with
$ brew install podman
$ podman --version
podman version 4.8.3
$ /opt/homebrew/bin/qemu-system-aarch64 -version
QEMU emulator version 8.2.0
Copyright (c) 2003-2023 Fabrice Bellard and the QEMU Project developers
Later I tried the oficial MacOS version of podman and qemu which was not
even able to start the qemu.
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I am not at war with Russia.
Я не воюю с Россией.
Ich bin nicht im Krieg mit Russland.
4:58 a.m.
New subject: Running x86_64-based containers on Mac computers with an Apple silicon (M1) processor
On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 1:25 PM Daniel Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On 1/16/24 06:49, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> Hello,
>
> For the purpose of the Subject: there is a tutorial at IBM.com:
>
>
https://developer.ibm.com/tutorials/running-x86-64-containers-mac-silicon...
>
> I've followed this tutorial, with a small exception, see below.
>
> The first step is to 'init' the machine with:
>
> $ podman machine init --image-path
~/yourFedoraImageFolder/fedora-coreos-39.20231204.3.3-qemu.x86_64.qcow2.xz
intel
> Extracting compressed file:
intel_fedora-coreos-39.20231204.3.3-qemu.x86_64.qco…
> Image resized.
> Machine init complete
> To start your machine run:
>
> podman machine start intel
>
> Which worked fine. Now, before starting the machine, the tutorial asks
to remove the following
> lines from the config file
~/.config/containers/podman/machine/qemu/intel.json:
>
> "-machine",
> "q35,accel=hvf:tcg",
> "-cpu",
> "host",
>
> These line are not there 1:1 and I removed these lines:
>
> $ diff .config/containers/podman/machine/qemu/intel.json
.config/containers/podman/machine/qemu/intel.json.saved2
> 6a7,12
>> "-accel",
>> "hvf",
>> "-accel",
>> "tcg",
>> "-cpu",
>> "host",
> which seems to me correct to remove the HVF QEMU accelerator which only
> is supported on x86 chips.
>
> Starting the machine now with:
>
> $ podman machine start intel
> Di 16 Jan 2024 12:23:33 CET
> Starting machine "intel"
> Waiting for VM ...
>
> hangs for ever and the QEMU process has 100% CPU utilization:
>
> top
> PID COMMAND %CPU TIME #TH #WQ #PORT MEM PURG CMPRS
PGRP
> 10802 qemu-system- 99.6 23:09.43 8/1 0 27 163M 0B 0B
10800
>
> Any ideas? Thanks
>
> matthias
>
>
Sergio any ideas?
It's definitely not enough to change the lines indicated in the guide.
You'd need to makes, at least, these changes:
"CmdLine": [
- "/opt/homebrew/bin/qemu-system-aarch64",
- "-accel",
- "hvf",
+ "/opt/homebrew/bin/qemu-system-x86_64",
"-accel",
"tcg",
- "-cpu",
- "host",
"-M",
- "virt,highmem=on",
- "-drive",
-
"file=/opt/homebrew/share/qemu/edk2-aarch64-code.fd,if=pflash,format=raw,readonly=on",
- "-drive",
-
"file=/Users/slp/.local/share/containers/podman/machine/qemu/intel_ovmf_vars.fd,if=pflash,format=raw",
+ "q35",
With this, after a looooooong time (5-10 minutes), I get a running x86_64
linux machine, and I can run x86_64 containers on it.
That said, I'm not a big fan of this way of running x86_64 VMs on aarch64,
as this is full system emulation and the performance it's going to be quite
poor. Instead, a better option would be using an aarch64 VM with a distro
extended have to binfmt_misc and qemu-user-static, so can rely on usermode
emulation instead, which would yield significantly better results
(specially if we eventually support other userspace emulators, such as
fex-emu or box64).
Sergio.
7:04 a.m.
New subject: Running x86_64-based containers on Mac computers with an Apple silicon (M1) processor
El día miércoles, enero 17, 2024 a las 10:58:13 +0100, Sergio Lopez escribió:
It's definitely not enough to change the lines indicated in the
guide.
You'd need to makes, at least, these changes:
"CmdLine": [
- "/opt/homebrew/bin/qemu-system-aarch64",
- "-accel",
- "hvf",
+ "/opt/homebrew/bin/qemu-system-x86_64",
"-accel",
"tcg",
- "-cpu",
- "host",
"-M",
- "virt,highmem=on",
- "-drive",
-
"file=/opt/homebrew/share/qemu/edk2-aarch64-code.fd,if=pflash,format=raw,readonly=on",
- "-drive",
-
"file=/Users/slp/.local/share/containers/podman/machine/qemu/intel_ovmf_vars.fd,if=pflash,format=raw",
+ "q35",
With this, after a looooooong time (5-10 minutes), I get a running x86_64
linux machine, and I can run x86_64 containers on it.
I started from scratch, applied your suggested changes and the machine
starts in 3 minutes:
$ date ; podman machine start intel ; date
Do 18 Jan 2024 12:34:44 CET
Starting machine "intel"
Waiting for VM ...
Mounting volume... /Users:/Users
Mounting volume... /private:/private
Mounting volume... /var/folders:/var/folders
...
Machine "intel" started successfully
Do 18 Jan 2024 12:37:50 CET
Currently I'm building the container with:
$ podman build -t suse suse
This will take some time because one of our application packages is 500 MB
in size, some 30.000 files which must be copied into places, chowned,
etc.
Thanks for your help
matthias
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I am not at war with Russia. Я не воюю с Россией.
Ich bin nicht im Krieg mit Russland.
8:37 a.m.
New subject: Running x86_64-based containers on Mac computers with an Apple silicon (M1) processor
El día miércoles, enero 17, 2024 a las 10:58:13 +0100, Sergio Lopez escribió:
...
That said, I'm not a big fan of this way of running x86_64 VMs on aarch64,
as this is full system emulation and the performance it's going to be quite
poor. Instead, a better option would be using an aarch64 VM with a distro
extended have to binfmt_misc and qemu-user-static, so can rely on usermode
emulation instead, which would yield significantly better results
(specially if we eventually support other userspace emulators, such as
fex-emu or box64).
I've built the podman container, which runs SuSE SLES, PostgreSQL server
and our application server fine and fast enough:
85c48763d727:~ # ps ax
PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND
1 pts/0 Ss+ 0:00 /bin/sh -c /usr/local/bin/start.sh
25 ? S 0:01 /usr/local/sisis-pap/pgsql-15.1/bin/postmaster -D /
28 ? Ss 0:00 postgres: logger
29 ? Ss 0:02 postgres: checkpointer
30 ? Ss 0:03 postgres: background writer
32 ? Ss 0:09 postgres: walwriter
33 ? Ss 0:00 postgres: autovacuum launcher
34 ? Ss 0:00 postgres: logical replication launcher
41 pts/0 S+ 0:00 sshd: /usr/sbin/sshd -D [listener] 0 of 10-100 star
49 ? Rs 0:00 sshd: root@pts/1
51 pts/1 Ss 0:00 -bash
458 pts/1 S 0:00 /opt/lib/sisis/avserver/bin/AVServer -p 8076
518 pts/1 R+ 0:00 ps ax
matthias
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